Any Great Britian KG V specialist out there????

[RossStamps]

Hello and thank you in advance,
I have these 2 KG V stamps Scott design type A80 & A81 perf 15 x 14 . They both have SG annotations on the reverse. Can any one tell me what they are and what they mean. I have scans of both side. If you need large scans or more info please just ask.
Thanks again,
Ross

Watermark is Scott# 30 and inverted

[michael78651]

The British version of writing on the back of the stamp. I bet it's hard to see the watermark with all that writing on it. The information is telling you (when the writing was done) the value, inverted watermark variety and Die Type, providing all that is still correct.

If it was me, I'd erase it all.

[khj]

It looks like the 0.5d stamp is misIDed. The back writing indicated DIE A, but it looks like Die B to me. Using a magnifier or higher-res scan, look at the spot I circled in red. It looks like 2 scales in that row to me. In Die A, there should be another scale above those 2 scales, so the 3 scales form a sort of triangle. In Die B, there are only those 2 scales in that row and none above it.

The 1d stamp is definitely Die B.

I'm assuming what you have is an upside-down wmk 30 (in the Scott catalog) for both stamps. That would correspond to an inverted wmk 49 (in the SG catalog).

I don't have the SG Specialised catalog for KGV. I can only provide catalog numbers from the SG GB Concise.

The inverted wmk49 listed for the Die B stamps in my 1999 SG are:
325Wi, 0.5d (bright green)
329Wi, 1d (carmine)
332Wi, 1d (scarlet)

"Wi" is the suffix for inverted watermark. Other shades exist, but my 1999 catalog does not show inverted watermarks for the other shades.

Hopefully, a real KGV expert will chime in to confirm/correct and provide more info...

[michael78651]

Another reason why not to pay attention to the writing on the backs of stamps,and erase the crud that is there.

[RossStamps]

Here's a high res scan of the area.
Ross

[khj]

Thanks for the additional scan, Ross. Using SG nomenclature...

OK, both stamps are definitely Die 1B. So the marking "DIE A" is in error. So...

0.5d stamp
-- the marking "N2" is correct, that is the correct type; but it is NOT Die A, but Die 1B
-- not good with colors, it looks like #324 "yellow green" to me; but SG doesn't list inverted watermark for that shade
***conclusion, it is #325Wi "bright green"

1d stamp
-- the marking "N11A" is incorrect; it should be N8 for #329Wi, or N9 for #332Wi
-- definitely Die 1B and not "DIE A"
-- not good with colors; it doesn't look like "scarlet" to me, but...
-- notice the clean cut perfs at right/bottom compared to the rougher "pulled perfs" at top and left; that indicates from a booklet...
-- which if I learned correctly, indicates that it must be #332Wi, as that stamp was the booklet stamp
***conclusion -- #332Wi

Subject to correction, of course...

k

[RossStamps]

Kim,
Thank you for all the hard work and info is there any value to these issue's.
Same folks must have also worked on the Washington Franklin issue's

[khj]

My SG catalog is 1999. The inverted watermark for the 1d booklet is considered "normal" for that stamp, so there will not be a premium. The 0.5d stamp is listed at a 3x premium for the inverted watermark.

Your stamps in the Scott catalog will be #151 and #152; Scott doesn't list inverted watermark variety for this issue.

The "re-engraved" stamps mentioned by Scott correspond to Die 2 in the SG catalogs. Scott does not distinguish between Die 1A and Die 1B.

Maybe someone with an up to date SG catalog can fill in the prices.

[khj]

Same folks must have also worked on the Washington Franklin issue's

There's an enormous amount of work on the Downey Heads, and quite a few websites and stamp forum threads that go into great detail regarding the many plate flaws. I lost all my bookmarks when my laptop crashed earlier this year, but I'm pretty sure if you google "Downey Heads", you can find a lot of them.

I didn't notice any of the major plate flaws in your stamps, but I didn't go over your stamps with a fine tooth comb and neither do I have all the plate flaws memorized .

[michael78651]

The 2008 Gibbons has the 1/2d (325a watermark sideways) valued only as used at 3800 pounds. The 1d SG #332 is valued at 45d unused and 18 used.

Scott does distinguish the two different dies in the Classic catalog. Die A is Type 1 (Scott 151-152); Die B is Type 2 (Scott 151d, 152g).

Scott still does not identify the watermark inverted variety.

[RossStamps]

Micheal-- Thanks 3800 pounds???? of course mines the twenty cent'r .

Kim-Thanks for "Downey Heads" here's a great read with TON's of good info.
http://www.stampcommunity.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12112&whichpage=8

[khj]

Scott does distinguish the two different dies in the Classic catalog. Die A is Type 1 (Scott 151-152); Die B is Type 2 (Scott 151d, 152g).

Thanks, I never noticed that.

k