Baseball Cards

[Deano]

Just to be on even ground here, before I dig my boxes out......"What is the opinion on Pete Rose?" And could someone tell me where Bob Horner is now? I think that he may of went to Japan years ago. Four homers in one game in the U.S. I do have some cards and I used to be a big baseball fan years ago until Conseco cried. His brother Ozzie never did anything. Anyway I am intrested in your thoughts.........................Deano

[EclecticCollector]

Love him or hate him, you can't deny Charlie Hustle was one of the greats. He was the guy who made baseball a contact sport

If I were in the market for cards, I would definitely put Rose on my list.

[Deano]

Love him or hate him, you can't deny Charlie Hustle was one of the greats. He was the guy who made baseball a contact sport

If I were in the market for cards, I would definitely put Rose on my list.

Bingo, Charlie Hustle was his nickname. Not to forget that he did break a rule and never bet agaisnt his own team it is an infraction to the code when you are the manager. But I think that the issue here is he was ratted on due to the fact that he would NOT push steroids. In my opinion I have seen worse players get away with much more and look at the Hall of Fame, Yup you got some bad boys in there also. Either way he is still an icon in the history of Baseball and nothing will ever take that away. .......................Thanks

[richd4549]

Come on Deano steroids and baseball were years after the Pete Rose scandals. The people who turned in Pete Rose were gamblers that Pete Rose owed money to. Pete Rose was arrogant and unapologetic about his gambling problems. Unlike Wille Mays and Mickey Mantle with their suspensions from all MLB functions for being greeters at Las Vegas casinos. They apologized and said they would no longer work at the casinos and they were reinstated. This was after they were both retired from baseball. Baseball did not want two of their Superstars associated with any forms of gambling. In my opinion Rose will not be inducted into the Hall of Fame until after his death. Yes he was a great player but his denial of the charges of gambling will keep him out until then.

[EclecticCollector]

All sports are riddled with bad actors. From people making really bad decisions to outright criminals, just as in any segment of society. I don't defend the wrong doing. I look at it as, many of these athletes are not MIT scholars. The same aggression that makes them great athletes and couple it with fans and leeches fawning on them and many are making more money per year than the rest of their family together makes in a lifetime, it can breed conditions for trouble.

We need to seperate the sports from the morals. These are guys (and gals) playing a game, thats it. They shouldn't be held up as any kind of role model. Its great when some do good things with their fame and fortune but thats what they should be commended for not because they are a sports star.When they do wrong, lock em up.

Ty Cobb was no saint but his extracurriculars don't haunt him.

There are so many role players that make the superstars great, that will never be in the hall of fame. I think thats a bigger shame. Hang Rose's picture in the HoF and stick an asterisk next to his stats and call him a dog.

[Deano]

OK Rich, I understand what you are saying. but in the mass opinion of many followers of his escapades "He was approached to sell the steroids and was agaisnt it compounded by the fact of his gambling exploits popped the top and turned out to be a "I'll show Him" situation. We can question his ethics and we can question our own lives in retrospect to his. Are we perfect..."NO" Are we in the public eye like he was? "NO" I guess we choose our greats only by stats ehh. If that is the case he would be in HOH. But when someone shakes their finger at someone (Media, pointers, and just general
gossip) it seems that the attitude of a such persons has changed. I say go by his stats, he did do wrong, I will not part from that and he should be accountable for his actions. And to be honest with you, I'm not so sure that it is the right of the media, pointers, and gossipers to tell him how to make it right. I think that he has done so in his heart atleast and I'm sure it is a living hell for him. But again there are worse in the HOH. Just my point of view.....................Take care

[Deano]

All sports are riddled with bad actors. From people making really bad decisions to outright criminals, just as in any segment of society. I don't defend the wrong doing. I look at it as, many of these athletes are not MIT scholars. The same aggression that makes them great athletes and couple it with fans and leeches fawning on them and many are making more money per year than the rest of their family together makes in a lifetime, it can breed conditions for trouble.

We need to seperate the sports from the morals. These are guys (and gals) playing a game, thats it. They shouldn't be held up as any kind of role model. Its great when some do good things with their fame and fortune but thats what they should be commended for not because they are a sports star.When they do wrong, lock em up.

Ty Cobb was no saint but his extracurriculars don't haunt him.

There are so many role players that make the superstars great, that will never be in the hall of fame. I think thats a bigger shame. Hang Rose's picture in the HoF and stick an asterisk next to his stats and call him a dog.

I have to be honest with you. All this is well said except for "We need to seperate sports from the morals" . Follow me on this one OK. (Kid starts whatching baseball, Kid finds a player that is his favorite, "As many of us have" Kid whatches this player through his full carreer. Kid is learning the simple morals and values through their family. Then kid learns the player he whatched was a wife beater, child beater, etc. etc. many scenerio's can be looked at here, maybe tax evader, anything) What would that kid thing after all that????? All I'm saying is that does anyone in the public eye have to be what we think they are or do we use common sense to determine their values.....Nuff said.............Take care